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| > > | The comment is made that "mostly found to be in good agreement with data" but certainly pythia is bad for more than one jet, the rapidities indicate low x gluon is off, and for 20 gev jet cuts sherpa is way off. It would be great to give a consise set of these conclusions here.
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| > > | 121 The jet pt here at 30 is confusing as the 20 is also used. Since both analyses are done (pt20 and pt30) it makes sense to parallelize them and treat them equally, especially in light of the sherpa discrepancy in 20. Also, as we go on to do the QCD, it would be good to have those plots for the 20 GeV Cut as well. Also, this is "observed" so perhaps an indication of this rather than just jet pt is useful. Or dont we correct jets in other papers? 139 The use of online and on-line is not consistent. It is also imprecise to say online - it should be defined in terms of the algorithms and corrections in the introduction. Similarly for offline. Saying selected "online" is just saying triggered? IV SIMULATED EVENT SAMPLES212 Is the min bias here matched to what was measured (by Glasgow?!)V Off-line Event Analysis | |||||||
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| > > | 254 pt>30 to be reliable but we use 20 in the paper too so perhaps that is just absorbed in systematics so reliable is not a useful characterization. | |||||||
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| > > | 271 Since the cut on JVF >.75, does that mean we have an effective rapidity cut on eta >2.5? But we see later plots going out fairly far... 274 Can we see the JVF for the stacked backgrounds? It would be useful to see where the QCD template goes. Fig 2: data points that are zero should not be shown. B. Missing Tranverse Energy and %$ M_T $% | |||||||
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| > > | C. Wenu366 How bad is the reliability of the simulation of a lepton as a jet.Or do we just expect this? 372-381 Confusing as to what is actually changed. Perhaps the cuts should just be given in a table. Fig 4: This one has a supressed zero but Fig 2 does not. The qcd distributions are not smooth and should either be smoothed (interpolate with sys on interpolation) or discarded with some upper limit for sys. D. Wmunu | |||||||
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| > > | Fig 5: Also ratty qcd: >=5j with 80 GeV mt is artificial. >=3 is quite ratty. 441 Does the cut at 10mm cut out a lot of lumi ?Does this compare to the beam spot cut of 60mm? 490 The background events with a muon and an energetic jet dont survive? To what degree and what happens when we have 2fb? E. Detector level comparisons544 The discrepancies are within systematic are they?549 The sentence should perhaps be "The predicted ttbar cross section of 165+11-16 is used instead of the less well determined but consistent value of 171+-... Fig 7: The last point in the first jet pt for miuons is ok for electrons but disagrees in muons because of a spuriously weighted event in the highest bin! Up to this point the cuts for MET were released. What cuts are used for this figure compare to the ones used in making the templates? The pt is not uncorrected -- it is corrected for detector effects but not to parton level. This is a confusion throughout the paper and one cannot be sure when looking at a plot what the real pt definition is. In fact the utility for background computations is limited by the fact that any physics measurement in top or Higgs will use a reconstructed parton correction. Here the step is to do a comparison with MC but distributions for the corrected parton are useful. It is also confusing what JES correction is applied. F. Unfolding611 Why would electrons need such a huge correction?F. Overall SystematicsFig 17: is this a linear or quadratic sum of the other systematics? It shouldsay "linear" sum or "quadratic" sum Fig 18: The "no pythia" should be on this one and appears on others. Also the tick marks don't appear all thetime on all points. This is true of many figures. Fig 19: Was the ratio figure left out? Fig 20: Odd statistical issue in Blackhat-Sherpa for the first bin. Either need to rerun or remove the point but of course it is odd not to have all points matching data... VII Cross section results869 Would be good to reflect these conclusions in the abstract.Fig 26: In spite of what the abstract says, sherpa is very poor here Appendix AShould show us the QCD templates again as well. They hadsome odd features statistically that misled us to interpret some of the extremes of distributions. | |||||||
Referencesreference [18] is not the appropriate one for single top production with MC@NLO - you should use, in addition: | ||||||||
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| and S. Frixione, E. Laenen, P. Motylinski, B.R. Webber, C.D. White, Single-top hadroproduction in association with a W boson. J. High Energy Phys. 07, 029 (2008) | ||||||||
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| > > | COMMENTS Relevant to Glasgow but not for authors134 What jet pt do we use in ttH, WH and ttbar? Is the 20 and 30 relevant?They dont correct back to parton but "unfold". How does that impact us? 228 Beam spot is 60mm in Z and resolution in Z is 0.1mm 238 When we do the R stuff, will we have to recalibrate it all? 247 Note use of y not eta 312 How well matched to the MET and Mt cuts are we? 313 and on : We should think about Soft lepton tags 371 Is the definition of fake e different here and in top or what we do? What they did is not clear but they do relax E/p and overall do a isolation relaxation. 371 Note that they get shapes from the data and then fit met. 480 For fake mu they use the impact parameter. 499-504 They make a pythia dijet sample to look for a muon. Has any work been done in atlas to try to identify b,c,light in jets? 505 Note the difference in the QCD for mu and e. We should make sure we keep them separate as they clearly had stuff leaking into distributions and that was really an artefact of the stats for the estimates. Hence e and mu are different in pots in fig 6/7 561 By the time we use 1fb or 2fb the consitency of the kinematic distributions may be a new issue. 500-600 How does the QCD estimate here compare to the top algorithm for QCD estimates. Fig 7 and onwards are untagged - this is useful but we will need to see flavor tagged as well. 584 Final state QED differs for e and mu so again we need to do separately 599 What do they do really ? how does it compare to what we need? 637 Uncertainties for where we start on ttH are HUGE: 30% compared to 2% for 0 jet. Also for ttbar? But we know ttbar. 652 Interesting to see the quark/gluon difference in calorimeter response. D0 claims that CDF's 2j bump in w+j is due to this being done incorrectly 670 Note that the full analysis is repeated for the systematics. We need to make a to-do list for the systematics from this section and see if it agrees with what we have for our current todo list -- if we have one. | |||||||
| -- SarahAllwood - 2011-10-19 | ||||||||